History repeats itself.

"not for canada - australian in disguise" (for-canada) 06/17/2020 at 20:52 • Filed to: None

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With Chrysler and PSA merging, many brought up that Peugeot were the ones who bought up Chrysler’s old European division that was formed via the merger of Simca, Rootes, and Barreiros in the early 1970s. Fewer though know that Chrysler were the ones selling Peugeots in Canada for a few years in the eighties . And now they might start selling Pugs again in a lot of the same dealerships . Funny how that works.

SmugAardvark > not for canada - australian in disguise 06/17/2020 at 21:19

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The 508 wagon isn’t a bad looking vehicle at all.

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > not for canada - australian in disguise 06/17/2020 at 21:42

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I am surprised, I remember Peu geots on the road in the 80s and I know where the one in my neighbou rhood is, but the Chrysler thing is a surprise.

MrSnrub > SmugAardvark 06/17/2020 at 21:51

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That would be very tempting if it comes to the US. But of course it won’t 

Nauraushaun > SmugAardvark 06/17/2020 at 22:05

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I love that car. Ha ndsome

Gertman2000 > not for canada - australian in disguise 06/17/2020 at 22:29

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Remember also it reunites Citroen and Maserati!! Who can forget the S M:

ranwhenparked > MrSnrub 06/17/2020 at 22:33

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Jack it up an inch or two, give it some unpainted black plastic fender flares and sill cladding, and some roof rails, and maybe? Bonus points if you rename it after a Southwestern US city, geographic feature, or Native American tribe. 

This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: > Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer 06/17/2020 at 22:33

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Same. There was one that was always street parked by my childhood home. I remember coming home back in the day and describing the emblem to my dad and asking what kind of car it was , because I had never seen one before.

He knew what it was, but didn’t speak fondly of them.

PS9 > SmugAardvark 06/17/2020 at 23:22

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To: SmugAardvark

From: FCA/Pugeot

Re: 508 wagon for the US

“No.”

-FCA/Pugeot

SmugAardvark > PS9 06/17/2020 at 23:26

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Well, I’d never...

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > not for canada - australian in disguise 06/17/2020 at 23:33

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The only complication is that Peugeot would have to build, package and price accordingly a vehicle that North Americans would be actually interested in buying....

Yes the 508 is gorgeous but...

not for canada - australian in disguise > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 06/17/2020 at 23:36

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I don’t really see a big market for their smaller hatchbacks, but I think the 508 would work somewhat well, although it would still be a niche vehicle. I genuinely think their crossovers would sell if they actually bother marketing them. Then again, the segment is quite bloated as is. Who knows really.

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > SmugAardvark 06/17/2020 at 23:46

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Would you like it as much if it only came with a 1.6 litre turbo engine and an 8 speed auto? W hich it does...

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > not for canada - australian in disguise 06/17/2020 at 23:56

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As I’ve pointed out elsewhere...the 508 is specced with an engine that promises only leisurely performance   at the moment. The hatches would be a better fit but they’d be pricey compared to the Golf . As for the SUVs...not that long ago they were re-engineered Mitsubishi’s and that a venue is now closed to them. They could instead though tizzy up a Jeep or three ...

Personally, I await the forthcoming Wrangler- based 2022 Citroen  Mehari...

SmugAardvark > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 06/18/2020 at 00:00

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I said it isn’t a bad looking vehicle. Not about driving dynamics. I have not driven any Peugeot since I owned one back around 2006 (mine was an ‘89 405 Mi 16).

duurtlang > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 06/18/2020 at 03:49

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The 1.6 gasoline engine as shipped in the 508 provides 225 hp. Should be plenty . There are higher performance versions of that engine available in other PSA products.

Besides the 1.6 gasoline engine you can get the 508 with a 1.5 or 2.0L diesel as well. With an automatic or manual transmission.

duurtlang > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 06/18/2020 at 03:58

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A crossover is nothing but a taller hatchback/wagon. If you can build a proper hatchback or wagon, you can build a proper crossover/’SUV’. PSA only rebadged 1 Mitsubishi that I remember, and that sold poorly as it was a rebadged Mitsubishi. It (the Peugeot 4007 and Citroen equivalent) was discontinued in 2012.

The 508 with the higher output version of the 1.6 does 0-100 in a little over 7 seconds with peak torque (300 Nm) starting at 1900 rpm. Not a race car, but more than plenty in day to day use.

I agree though, PSA vehicles are clearly not designed for the US market. The interiors are already a bit too much for conservative European buyers, and I imagine Americans being even more conservative. They would also need lower tech (and thus cheaper) drive trains with more power for the US, where fuel economy and carbon emissions are relatively moot. Chrysler can probably provide those drive trains.

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > duurtlang 06/18/2020 at 06:43

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Yeah it should be enough...but it won't be for North America. It's barely enough for Australia...

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > duurtlang 06/18/2020 at 06:46

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If I were Peugeot then I would definitely leave it to whatever is left of Chrysler and Jeep and said what can you do with this lot...